12月24日の日記

There are 3 messages totalling 114 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Text Changing Effects (2)
2. Spells on the stack and champion

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Date: Fri， 21 Dec 2007 16:09:05 -0500
From: Matthew Lashof-Regas
Subject: Re: Text Changing Effects

> > If I create a Kithkin Soldier Token， and I target it with Artificial
> Evolution， changing "Kithkin" to "Frog"， it is now a Frog Soldier.
> > Its name is still "Kithkin Soldier" though， right?
>
> Correct. AE changes the rules text， including type line， but not the
> name.
>

If you were to use Artificial Evolution on the effect that creates the token
(Say， Militia’s Pride’s ability)， before the token actually comes into play，
would its name then be Frog Warrior?

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Date: Fri， 21 Dec 2007 15:01:22 -0700
From: Gavin Duggan
Subject: Re: Text Changing Effects

On Dec 21， 2007 2:09 PM， Matthew Lashof-Regas wrote:
> > > If I create a Kithkin Soldier Token， and I target it with Artificial
> > Evolution， changing "Kithkin" to "Frog"， it is now a Frog Soldier.
> > > Its name is still "Kithkin Soldier"
>
> If you were to use Artificial Evolution on the effect that creates the token
> (Say， Militia’s Pride’s ability)， before the token actually comes into play，
> would its name then be Frog Warrior?

Sort of. Artificial Evolution can only target a spell or permanent...
not an ability on the stack (and definately not an effect， which is
something else entirely)， but I see where you’re going with it， and
yes: if you were to target Milita’s Pride itself (ie: target the
enchantment， not the ability on the stack)， before its ability goes on
the stack it would create tokens both named Frog Warrior and with the
subtypes Frog Warrior.

Similarly， if you were to target a Raise the Alarm on the stack
(whether played as a card， or as a copy from Isochron Scepter)， you
would change both the name and the types of the tokens created on
resolution.

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Gavin Duggan， L3 Calgary: MTGRULES-L Netrep
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Date: Sat， 22 Dec 2007 18:24:57 +0100
From: Patrik Linell
Subject: Spells on the stack and champion

A player asked me if he could play Faerie Trickery in response to a
spell and then in response to that play Mistbind Clique and champion
the Faerie Trickery. I’m fairly sure he’s not meant to be able to do
that， but as the rules stand I’d have to say that he can.

502.72a Champion represents two triggered abilities. "Champion an
[object]" means "When this permanent comes into play， sacrifice it
unless you remove another [object] you control from the game" and
"When this permanent leaves play， return the removed card to play
under its owner’s control."

The Faerie Trickery on the stack is clearly an object， he is
controlling it， and it is a Faerie. While the notes in the rules
primer seem to indicate that only permanents can be championed， the
rules do not say so.

However， since rule 502.72c reads...

502.72c A permanent is "championed" by another permanent if the latter
removes the former from the game as the direct result of a champion
ability.

...the land-tapping ability of Mistbind Clique should not trigger when
the Faerie Trickery is removed， as it is not a permanent. This doesn’t
sound like it was the intention.

Similarly， can Vedalken Aethermage be used to return a Sliver spell to
its owner’s hand， Venser-style?

Mistbind Clique
3U
Creature - Faerie Wizard
Flash
Flying
Champion a Faerie
When a Faerie is championed with Mistbind Clique， tap all lands target
player controls.
4/4

Vedalken AEthermage
1U
Creature - Vedalken Wizard
Flash
When Vedalken AEthermage comes into play， return target Sliver to its
owner’s hand.
Wizardcycling 3
1/2

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